{"id":3734,"date":"2011-08-22T21:04:31","date_gmt":"2011-08-22T21:04:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/e-anjelik.sk\/?p=3734"},"modified":"2011-08-22T21:04:31","modified_gmt":"2011-08-22T21:04:31","slug":"a-co-je-pravda","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/2011\/08\/22\/a-co-je-pravda\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8230; a \u010do je pravda?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>reakcia na <a href=\"http:\/\/evanjelikdnes.wordpress.com\/2011\/08\/10\/udajny-rozklad-ecav-je-len-zastupnou-temou\/\">http:\/\/evanjelikdnes.wordpress.com\/2011\/08\/10\/udajny-rozklad-ecav-je-len-zastupnou-temou\/<\/a><\/p>\n<div style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><b><span style=\"line-height: 115%; font-size: 14pt\">&bdquo;&#8230;&#8230;a \u010do je pravda?&ldquo;<\/span><\/b><\/div>\n<div style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><font size=\"2\">Diskusia o&nbsp;probl&eacute;me z&aacute;stupnom alebo hlavnom, vn&uacute;tri cirkvi alebo navonok, ved&uacute;ca k&nbsp;rie&scaron;eniam a&nbsp;spokojnosti v&scaron;etk&yacute;ch diskutuj&uacute;cich, alebo kopnut&aacute; pod koberec&#8230;&#8230;..je dobr&aacute;, alebo zl&aacute;? Kto to povie vo svetle v&scaron;etk&yacute;ch vekov, miesta a&nbsp;situ&aacute;cie diskut&eacute;rov. <\/font><\/div>\n<div style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><font size=\"2\">&bdquo;&#8230;&#8230;..a \u010do je pravda?&ldquo; &#8211; v&yacute;rok najvy&scaron;&scaron;ieho z&nbsp;\u013eud&iacute; nad Izraelom v&scaron;etci pozn&aacute;me, charakterizuje v&scaron;ak boj o&nbsp;moc, alebo pravdu (ako chcete) medzi izraelsk&yacute;m duchovn&yacute;m stavom a&nbsp;jeho kritikom. S&aacute;m nevie \u010do m&aacute; robi\u0165, lebo ten, ktor&yacute; sa p&yacute;ta &bdquo;\u010do je pravda&ldquo; \u010do chce vlastne vedie\u0165?? (ke\u010f nevie \u010do je pravda) <\/font><\/div>\n<div style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><font size=\"2\">Tento a\u017e filozofick&yacute; moment zasahuje do n&aacute;&scaron;ho dne&scaron;n&eacute;ho diskusn&eacute;ho probl&eacute;mu ve\u013emi hlboko a&nbsp;p&iacute;&scaron;e jasn&uacute; kont&uacute;ru. Nikto z&nbsp;oponentov predsedu vierou\u010dn&eacute;ho v&yacute;boru (VV) neargumentuje t&yacute;m, \u017ee probl&eacute;m charizmatick&eacute;ho hnutia v&nbsp;ECAV neexistuje. Nikto neargumentuje t&yacute;m, \u017ee by bol absol&uacute;tne v&nbsp;s&uacute;lade s&nbsp;u\u010den&iacute;m ECAV. Ka\u017ed&yacute; vie, \u017ee tu je, je v&nbsp;rozpore s&nbsp;u\u010den&iacute;m na&scaron;ej cirkvi, ale niektor&iacute; ho nepokladaj&uacute; za d&ocirc;le\u017eit&yacute;, in&iacute; &aacute;no, ale ho nechc&uacute; rie&scaron;i\u0165 z&nbsp;r&ocirc;znych d&ocirc;vodov &ndash; vyhovuje im charizmatick&eacute; hnutie, nechc&uacute; si niekoho pohneva\u0165 na ist&yacute;ch miestach v&nbsp;ist&yacute;ch zboroch, maj&uacute; tak aj \u010dlenov svojich rod&iacute;n, apod. In&iacute; s&uacute; zap&aacute;len&iacute; za boj proti boju proti charizmatick&eacute;mu hnutiu v&nbsp;cirkvi. Pre\u010do tak? Pre\u010do to nenechaj&uacute; &bdquo;vyhni\u0165&ldquo; tak ako mnoh&eacute; in&eacute; spory a&nbsp;osobn&eacute; &uacute;toky na p&ocirc;de cirkvi &ndash; mnoh&eacute; z&nbsp;nich \u010faleko osobnej&scaron;ie a&nbsp;d&ocirc;kaznej&scaron;ie? Pre\u010do? Asi preto, lebo t&aacute;to t&eacute;ma ako z&aacute;stupn&aacute; t&eacute;ma im ve\u013emi vyhovuje. Odp&uacute;tava pozornos\u0165 \u010dlenov cirkvi od skuto\u010dn&yacute;ch probl&eacute;mov v&nbsp;ECAV. Preto v\u017edy a&nbsp;radi zdv&iacute;haj&uacute; hoden&uacute; rukavicu a&nbsp;nieko\u013ekon&aacute;sobne intenz&iacute;vnej&scaron;ie s&nbsp;\u0148ou udieraj&uacute; po tv&aacute;ri protivn&iacute;ka. Neobmedzia sa na argument&aacute;ciu d&ocirc;vodov obvinenia aby ich vyvr&aacute;tili. T&yacute;ch sa spravidla v&ocirc;bec net&yacute;kaj&uacute;, ale zdv&iacute;haj&uacute; in&eacute; zbrane a&nbsp;&uacute;to\u010dia na in&yacute;ch boji&scaron;tiach spom&iacute;naj&uacute;c nes&uacute;vislosti. Pre\u010do to robia? Preto\u017ee im to vyhovuje.<\/font><\/div>\n<div style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><font size=\"2\">Nie som z&nbsp;t&yacute;ch, ktor&iacute; by mohli poveda\u0165 &bdquo;nie je to takto, ale je to tak!&ldquo; Charizmatick&eacute; hnutia v&nbsp;na&scaron;ej cirkvi c&iacute;tim u\u017e desa\u0165ro\u010dia, hlavne medzi ml&aacute;de\u017eou (s&aacute;m som ju niekedy viedol) ale nechcem teraz posudzova\u0165, lebo u\u017e som trochu \u010falej. <\/font><\/div>\n<div style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><font size=\"2\">Je d&ocirc;le\u017eit&eacute; hovori\u0165 o&nbsp;probl&eacute;moch v&nbsp;cirkvi. (to je ale m&uacute;dros\u0165, to ste e&scaron;te nepo\u010duli <span>J<\/span>). Sp&ocirc;sob ktor&yacute;m sa vedie t&aacute;to diskusia nie je kon&scaron;trukt&iacute;vny. Ak m&aacute; niekto patent na triedenie v&yacute;rokov v&nbsp;diskusii, ktor&yacute; z&nbsp;nich je pocit a&nbsp;ktor&yacute; argument, tam kon\u010di diskusia. Ak niekto kritizuje ohov&aacute;ranie a&nbsp;definuje ho ako kritiku bez argumentov a&nbsp;s&aacute;m t&uacute;to met&oacute;du s&nbsp;ob\u013eubou pou\u017e&iacute;va alebo nech&aacute; pou\u017e&iacute;va\u0165 in&yacute;ch, ten u\u017e n&aacute;m nem&aacute; \u010do poveda\u0165. Ak niekto ozna\u010d&iacute; poukazovanie na manipul&aacute;ciu manipul&aacute;ciou, je to jasn&aacute; nepriznan&aacute; absencia argumentov. <\/font><\/div>\n<div style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><font size=\"2\">Najrad&scaron;ej m&aacute;m t&yacute;ch, ktor&iacute; dopredu vedia \u010do bude. Kto to ako myslel, \u010do je za t&yacute;m a&nbsp;\u010do pr&iacute;de. To s&uacute; moji \u013eudia <span>J<\/span> lebo t&iacute; u\u017e dopredu vedia kto bude biskupom, kto mu pripravuje cestu a&nbsp;kde to v&scaron;etko za\u010dalo.&nbsp;T&iacute; vedia ke\u010f sa na V&aacute;s pozr&uacute;, \u010di ste naozajstn&yacute;m evanjelikom, alebo to m&aacute;te len ako v&yacute;vesku firmy. Nepotrebuj&uacute; vedie\u0165 \u010do hovor&iacute;te, ale ur\u010dite V&aacute;m ale hlavne v&scaron;etk&yacute;m v&nbsp;ECAV povedia pre\u010do to hovor&iacute;te, \u010do t&yacute;m mysl&iacute;te, v&nbsp;koho prospech to rob&iacute;te a&nbsp;ako to dopadne. M&aacute;m ich r&aacute;d preto, lebo sa odo nich dozviem o&nbsp;svojich pohn&uacute;tkach, pre\u010do som pr&aacute;ve tam kde som a&nbsp;komu som prospel. <\/font><\/div>\n<div style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><font size=\"2\">Dobr&eacute; r&aacute;no v&scaron;etk&yacute;m, ktor&iacute; n&aacute;s pou\u010duj&uacute;: &bdquo;Biskupi by mali <strong><span style=\"font-weight: normal\">by\u0165 \u013eudia so schopnos\u0165ou integrova\u0165 skupiny s&nbsp;r&ocirc;znymi d&ocirc;razmi v&nbsp;ECAV, nie ich polarizova\u0165.&ldquo; (oni takto nielen p&iacute;&scaron;u, ale aj k&aacute;\u017eu) Znamen&aacute; to, \u017ee niektor&iacute; dne&scaron;n&iacute; biskupi polarizuj&uacute; a&nbsp;nemaj&uacute; schopnos\u0165 integrova\u0165 skupiny? Ktor&iacute; s&uacute; to?? Tak pekne von s&nbsp;t&yacute;m, ktor&eacute;ho biskupa pr&aacute;ve kritizujeme!! Alebo to m&aacute;me dopoveda\u0165 tak, ako to robia kritici predsedu VV? Nie, my nie sme tak&iacute;.<\/span><\/strong><\/font><\/div>\n<div style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><strong><span style=\"font-weight: normal\"><font size=\"2\">Som presved\u010den&yacute;, \u017ee tento spor nie je o&nbsp;h\u013eadan&iacute; pravdy a&nbsp;l\u017ei. Tento spor nie je o&nbsp;boji argumentov &ndash; predsa na v&auml;\u010d&scaron;inu argumentov nezaznel protiargument, ale nie\u010do &uacute;plne od veci. Tento spor je o&nbsp;diskusii. &Aacute;no, my v&nbsp;ECAV nevieme diskutova\u0165, h\u013eada\u0165 rie&scaron;enia, po\u010d&uacute;va\u0165 toho druh&eacute;ho a&nbsp;odpoveda\u0165 na to, \u010do sa p&yacute;tal. Teraz si pripad&aacute;m, ako v&nbsp;pomocnej &scaron;kole, ale toto s&uacute; my&scaron;lienkov&eacute; pochody die\u0165a\u0165a \u0165ahaj&uacute;ceho k&aacute;\u010dera po dvore. &Aacute;no a\u017e tam sme sa dostali pri presadzovan&iacute; svojich z&aacute;ujmov a&nbsp;z&aacute;rove\u0148 pri ich skr&yacute;van&iacute;. P&yacute;tame sa a&nbsp;ne\u010dak&aacute;me odpove\u010f. Po\u010dujeme ot&aacute;zku ale na \u0148u neodpoved&aacute;me . nevieme diskutova\u0165, po\u010d&uacute;va\u0165 sa, h\u013eada\u0165 rie&scaron;enia, prij&iacute;ma\u0165 kompromisy &ndash; trag&eacute;dia &ndash; vysoko&scaron;kolsky vzdelan&iacute; \u013eudia, druh&eacute;ho, tretieho \u010dasto &scaron;tvrt&eacute;ho stup\u0148a. Je to hlavne preto, lebo na kazate\u013eni, v&nbsp;pr&iacute;hovoroch ich nikdy nikto nepreru&scaron;&iacute; ot&aacute;zkou, in&yacute;m n&aacute;zorom, vysvet\u013euj&uacute;cou alebo spochyb\u0148uj&uacute;cou pripomienkou. Keby takto rie&scaron;ili technici v&yacute;stavbu mosta cez Pova\u017esk&uacute; Bystricu, u\u017e by mesto neexistovalo. Ale ke\u010f sa nespam&auml;t&aacute;me, naozaj dopadneme ako n&aacute;s stra&scaron;&iacute; ten nadpis zo sobot\u0148aj&scaron;ieho \u010dl&aacute;nku v SME. Ke\u010f to nevieme, n&aacute;jdime si odborn&iacute;ka na komunik&aacute;ciu tak ako to robia ve\u013ek&eacute; firmy, ktor&eacute; maj&uacute; probl&eacute;m s&nbsp;komunik&aacute;ciou a&nbsp;dok&aacute;\u017eu si to prizna\u0165. Ke\u010f n&aacute;s bol&iacute; zub ideme k&nbsp;zub&aacute;rovi a&nbsp;nesna\u017e&iacute;me si ho vyv\u0155ta\u0165 v&nbsp;gar&aacute;\u017ei v\u0155ta\u010dkou. Preto\u017ee ak pre rie&scaron;enie probl&eacute;mu nie\u010do urob&iacute;me, P&aacute;n Boh m&ocirc;\u017ee na&scaron;u &uacute;primn&uacute; snahu podpori\u0165. Ak budeme jatri\u0165 spory a&nbsp;prehlbova\u0165 priepasti medzi sebou, ani P&aacute;n Boh nebude zachra\u0148ova\u0165 straten&uacute; cirkev, ktor&aacute; mu len hanbu rob&iacute; &ndash; ani za &bdquo;10 spravodliv&yacute;ch&ldquo;.<\/font><\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<div style=\"margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt\"><strong><span style=\"font-weight: normal\"><font size=\"2\">Ur\u010dite m&aacute;m aj ja n&aacute;zor na &bdquo;pravdu&ldquo; obidvoch str&aacute;n, mo\u017eno je to z&nbsp;\u010dl&aacute;nku aj citi\u0165. Nechcel som V&aacute;m ho &bdquo;tla\u010di\u0165 do hlavy ako kaler&aacute;by&ldquo; ako to pravidelne mnoh&iacute; robia, ke\u010f si presadzuj&uacute; patent na pravdu a&nbsp;chc&uacute; sa v&nbsp;cirkvi ubera\u0165 len &bdquo;dobr&yacute;m smerom&ldquo;. Ale ktor&yacute; to je?? Alebo presnej&scaron;ie: &bdquo;Pod\u013ea koho dobr&yacute;m smerom sa chcete ubera\u0165?&ldquo; Je naj\u013eah&scaron;ie vytriedi\u0165 probl&eacute;my na &bdquo;vyroben&eacute;&ldquo; a &bdquo;re&aacute;lne&ldquo; a&nbsp;s&aacute;m ich poh&aacute;dza\u0165 do pripraven&yacute;ch prie\u010dinkov. Ak&eacute; jednoduch&eacute; &ndash; a&nbsp;potom e&scaron;te trochu pop&iacute;sa\u0165 o&nbsp;manipul&aacute;cii.<\/font><\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<div>&bdquo;<i><span style=\"font-size: 10pt\">Prosme o&nbsp;pokoj pre kon&scaron;trukt&iacute;vnu pr&aacute;cu v&nbsp;na&scaron;ej cirkvi, o&nbsp;pokoru&nbsp; a&nbsp;svetlo Ducha Sv&auml;t&eacute;ho, aby sme sa pre veci, ktor&eacute; s&uacute; n&aacute;m predostieran&eacute; ako ak&uacute;tne, ale s&uacute; len predvolebn&yacute;mi t&eacute;mami, neminuli s&nbsp;t&yacute;m, \u010do je v&nbsp;na&scaron;om \u010dase vskutku podstatn&eacute;, tie\u017e, aby sme mali m&uacute;dros\u0165, kedy ml\u010da\u0165 a&nbsp;kedy hovori\u0165.&ldquo;<\/span><\/i> &ndash; <span style=\"font-size: 10pt\">citite to tam ?<\/span><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>reakcia na http:\/\/evanjelikdnes.wordpress.com\/2011\/08\/10\/udajny-rozklad-ecav-je-len-zastupnou-temou\/ &bdquo;&#8230;&#8230;a \u010do je pravda?&ldquo; &nbsp; Diskusia o&nbsp;probl&eacute;me z&aacute;stupnom alebo hlavnom, vn&uacute;tri cirkvi alebo navonok, ved&uacute;ca k&nbsp;rie&scaron;eniam a&nbsp;spokojnosti v&scaron;etk&yacute;ch diskutuj&uacute;cich, alebo kopnut&aacute; pod koberec&#8230;&#8230;..je dobr&aacute;, alebo zl&aacute;? Kto to povie vo svetle v&scaron;etk&yacute;ch vekov, miesta a&nbsp;situ&aacute;cie diskut&eacute;rov. &bdquo;&#8230;&#8230;..a \u010do je pravda?&ldquo; &#8211; v&yacute;rok najvy&scaron;&scaron;ieho z&nbsp;\u013eud&iacute; nad Izraelom v&scaron;etci pozn&aacute;me, charakterizuje v&scaron;ak boj o&nbsp;moc, &#8230; <a title=\"&#8230; a \u010do je pravda?\" class=\"read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/2011\/08\/22\/a-co-je-pravda\/\" aria-label=\"Pre\u010d\u00edtajte si viac o &#8230; a \u010do je pravda?\">\u010c\u00edta\u0165 viac<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":55,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3734","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-adventna-modlitba"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3734","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/55"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3734"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3734\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3734"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3734"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3734"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}