{"id":4090,"date":"2012-02-06T16:10:50","date_gmt":"2012-02-06T16:10:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/e-anjelik.sk\/?p=4090"},"modified":"2019-02-22T15:24:38","modified_gmt":"2019-02-22T14:24:38","slug":"skupinky-skusenost","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/2012\/02\/06\/skupinky-skusenost\/","title":{"rendered":"Skupinky \u2013 sk\u00fasenos\u0165"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">R&aacute;d by som do akademickej debaty prispel praktick&yacute;mi sk&uacute;senos\u0165ami so skupinkami. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/p>\n<h2 style=\"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.05pt;background:\nwhite\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">1: V&nbsp;zbore ve\u013emi akt&iacute;vne p&ocirc;sobila ml&aacute;de\u017e. Pripravovali akcie, viedli besedku, dorast, pom&aacute;hali, kde sa dalo. A&nbsp;to aj finan\u010dne. Kto chcel, d&aacute;val desiatky a&nbsp;tak sa stalo, \u017ee mali rozpo\u010det nie o&nbsp;moc men&scaron;&iacute;, ne\u017e dan&yacute; cirkevn&yacute; zbor. Zbor, okrem viano\u010dn&yacute;ch bal&iacute;\u010dkov pre deti, neprispieval na besiedku ani na dorast a&nbsp;u\u017e v&ocirc;bec nie na ml&aacute;de\u017e, \u010do mi pripadalo dos\u0165 bizardn&eacute;. Naopak, ro\u010dne ml&aacute;de\u017e prispievala na cirkevn&yacute; zbor sumami r&aacute;dovo v&nbsp;10-tis&iacute;coch vtedaj&scaron;&iacute;ch kor&uacute;n. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.05pt;background:\nwhite\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">Mali aj skupinky. &Scaron;tudovali Bo\u017eie slovo, modlili sa, tvorili. &Aacute;no, boli tam aj vierou\u010dn&eacute; probl&eacute;my, najm&auml; s&nbsp;krstom det&iacute;. Ale bral som to tak, \u017ee debaty o&nbsp;krste sa tiahnu storo\u010diami a&nbsp;n&aacute;zory sa utv&aacute;raj&uacute; postupne. Mne sam&eacute;mu to pomohlo, lebo som musel &scaron;tudova\u0165 a&nbsp;argumentova\u0165 zrozumite\u013en&yacute;m sp&ocirc;sobom. A&nbsp;tak som h\u013eadal biblick&eacute;, vierou\u010dn&eacute; argumenty a&nbsp;prirovnania. Postupne som si to sformuloval a&nbsp;ned&aacute;vno, ke\u010f sa ma evanjeli\u010dka, moja zn&aacute;ma a \u010derstv&aacute; mami\u010dka z&nbsp;\u010ciech, zneisten&aacute;, \u010di m&aacute; da\u0165 svoje die\u0165a pokrsti\u0165 alebo nie, p&yacute;tala na n&aacute;zor, tak to pochopila na prv&yacute; pokus. Ke\u010f som sa nesk&ocirc;r stretol s&nbsp;jej mamkou, \u010fakovala mi s&nbsp;t&yacute;m, \u017ee dc&eacute;ra jej povedala, ako som jej to vysvetlil a&nbsp;\u017ee tak zrozumite\u013ene to e&scaron;te nepo\u010dula, a \u017ee dc&eacute;ra dala die\u0165a pokrsti\u0165, z&nbsp;\u010doho sa ve\u013emi te&scaron;&iacute;. Ja sa te&scaron;&iacute;m tie\u017e. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.05pt;background:\nwhite\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">N&aacute;zory sa formuj&uacute;. Ne\u010dakal som, \u017ee die\u0165a hne\u010f po naroden&iacute; bude ma\u0165 jasno vo v&scaron;etk&yacute;ch ot&aacute;zkach viery. V&nbsp;konfirma\u010dnom veku v&auml;\u010d&scaron;inou rie&scaron;ia in&eacute; veci, ako krst det&iacute;. Jednoducho, \u013eudia v&auml;\u010d&scaron;inou rie&scaron;ia veci a\u017e vtedy, ke\u010f s&uacute; priamo konfrontovan&iacute; s&nbsp;dan&yacute;m probl&eacute;mom. A&nbsp;tak aj krst mlad&yacute;ch zaujal v&nbsp;ur\u010ditom \u010dase, vtedy sa n&iacute;m za\u010dali zaobera\u0165 a&nbsp;h\u013eada\u0165 odpovede. Ak by som &scaron;iel proti nim, stratil by som ich a&nbsp;pri&scaron;iel o&nbsp;mo\u017enos\u0165 prispie\u0165 k&nbsp;ich formovaniu &ndash; a&nbsp;to je predsa &uacute;lohou far&aacute;rov a&nbsp;presbyterov &ndash; biblicky a&nbsp;teologicky a&nbsp;najm&auml; zrozumite\u013ene vysvetli\u0165 z&aacute;le\u017eitosti viery. Navy&scaron;e, ke\u010f som sa na to pozrel, pozit&iacute;va pr&aacute;ce mlad&yacute;ch v&nbsp;zbore \u010faleko prevy&scaron;ovali negat&iacute;vum vierou\u010dnej neistoty, a&nbsp;to najm&auml; preto, \u017ee h\u013eadali a boli otvoren&iacute; r&ocirc;znym odpovediam. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.05pt;background:\nwhite\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">S&nbsp;t&yacute;mi, ktor&iacute; mali in&yacute; n&aacute;zor na krst, som sa dohodol, \u017ee o&nbsp;krste nebud&uacute; vies\u0165 debaty. Ak sa ich niekto sp&yacute;ta na ich osobn&yacute; n&aacute;zor, tak v&nbsp;poriadku, ale s&nbsp;t&yacute;m, \u017ee spomen&uacute;, \u017ee ofici&aacute;lny n&aacute;zor cirkvi je in&yacute; a&nbsp;vysvetl&iacute; im ho far&aacute;r. &Aacute;no, ob\u010das sa vyskytli be\u017en&eacute; &bdquo;prev&aacute;dzkov&eacute;&ldquo; probl&eacute;my. Ale v\u017edy sme ich spolu vydiskutovali a&nbsp;vyrie&scaron;ili. Takto to fungovalo mnoho rokov (predo mnou aj po mne, spolu cca 10 rokov). Ml&aacute;de\u017en&iacute;ci p&ocirc;sobili na mestskej aj senior&aacute;tnej &uacute;rovni a&nbsp;boli ve\u013ek&yacute;m pr&iacute;nosom. Spom&iacute;nam na to ako na skvel&uacute; sk&uacute;senos\u0165 a&nbsp;dodnes som s&nbsp;t&yacute;mi \u013eu\u010fmi v&nbsp;kontakte. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.05pt;background:\nwhite\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">V&auml;\u010d&scaron;ina t&yacute;chto mlad&yacute;ch je dnes mimo ECAV. Kolega, za ktor&eacute;ho p&ocirc;sobenia odi&scaron;li z&nbsp;ECAV, m&aacute; na cel&uacute; vec asi in&yacute; poh\u013ead. Faktom je, \u017ee z&nbsp;r&ocirc;znych str&aacute;n boli r&ocirc;zne tlaky, a\u017e si mlad&iacute; povedali, \u017ee ich poslan&iacute;m nie je z&aacute;pasi\u0165 s&nbsp;vlastn&yacute;mi, ale priv&aacute;dza\u0165 \u013eud&iacute; ku Kristovi a&nbsp;tak odi&scaron;li. Do CB. Teda nie ku jehovistom, ani charizmatikom. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.05pt;background:\nwhite\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \"><o:p>&nbsp;<\/o:p><\/span><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.05pt;background:\nwhite\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">2: In&yacute; zbor. Ml&aacute;de\u017en&iacute;ci maj&uacute; svoje skupinky. Nie v&scaron;etci tam chodia, ale kto chce, pr&iacute;de. &Scaron;tuduj&uacute; Bo\u017eie slovo, modlia sa, hraj&uacute; sa, debatuj&uacute;, vym&yacute;&scaron;\u013eaj&uacute;. Akt&iacute;vne p&ocirc;sobia v&nbsp;zbore aj mimo zboru. Vlastne, \u017eiadna akcia sa bez nich nezaob&iacute;de. Robia ml&aacute;de\u017en&iacute;cke bohoslu\u017eby, v&iacute;kendovky pre konfirmandov, v&yacute;lety pre deti, programy, upratuj&uacute; faru, brig&aacute;duj&uacute;. Ned&aacute;vno v&nbsp;zbore za\u010dali slu\u017ebu pre man\u017eelsk&eacute; p&aacute;ry. Mlad&iacute; navarili ve\u010deru, obsl&uacute;\u017eili, pomohli s&nbsp;programom, str&aacute;\u017eili deti. Je to v&scaron;etko bez probl&eacute;mov? Nie je. Ale ist&eacute; je, \u017ee mlad&iacute; s&uacute; ve\u013ek&yacute;m pr&iacute;nosom a&nbsp;pomocou pre cirkevn&yacute; zbor. Mnoh&eacute; n&aacute;pady vznikaj&uacute; pr&aacute;ve na skupink&aacute;ch. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.05pt;background:\nwhite\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \"><o:p>&nbsp;<\/o:p><\/span><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.05pt;background:\nwhite\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">3: Ke\u010f som bol v&nbsp;zahrani\u010d&iacute;, v&nbsp;evanjelickom zbore sme mali mu\u017esk&uacute; skupinku. Stret&aacute;vali sme sa v&auml;\u010d&scaron;inou bez miestneho far&aacute;ra, v&nbsp;gar&aacute;\u017ei (!) jedn&eacute;ho z&nbsp;\u010dlenov. Skupinku viedol jeden z&nbsp;presbyterov. Preberali sme knihu Pr&iacute;slov&iacute; a&nbsp;bolo to vynikaj&uacute;ce a&nbsp;obohacuj&uacute;ce. Boli to chlapi z&nbsp;r&ocirc;znych kontextov, s&nbsp;r&ocirc;znou hist&oacute;riou, sk&uacute;senos\u0165ami. Ich reflexie na Bo\u017eie slovo boli \u010dasto &scaron;okuj&uacute;ce v&nbsp;tom najlep&scaron;om zmysle slova. Dodnes na to v&nbsp;dobrom spom&iacute;nam. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.05pt;background:\nwhite\">&nbsp;<\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.05pt;background:\nwhite\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">4: Doteraz osobne chod&iacute;m na skupinku. Stret&aacute;vame sa cca ka\u017ed&yacute; 2. t&yacute;\u017ede\u0148 v&nbsp;sobotu r&aacute;no v jednej bratislavskej kaviarni. U\u017e sme pre\u010d&iacute;tali p&aacute;r kn&iacute;h. Moment&aacute;lne \u010d&iacute;tame <i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.martinus.sk\/?uItem=49190\">Ak chce&scaron; chodi\u0165 po vode, mus&iacute;&scaron; vyst&uacute;pi\u0165 z&nbsp;lode<\/a><\/i> od Johna Ortberga. V&nbsp;preklade ju u&nbsp;n&aacute;s vydalo EVS. Patr&iacute;m medzi najmlad&scaron;&iacute;ch \u010dlenov, v&scaron;etko s&uacute; to star&scaron;&iacute;, sk&uacute;sen&iacute; a&nbsp;\u017eivotom ostrie\u013ean&iacute; p&aacute;ni. Ak na v&iacute;kend ost&aacute;vam v&nbsp;Bratislave, v&nbsp;\u017eiadnom pr&iacute;pade si skupinku nenech&aacute;m ujs\u0165. V&scaron;etci s&uacute; akt&iacute;vni v&nbsp;evanjelickej cirkvi. A&nbsp;tieto stretnutia s&uacute; pre m\u0148a v\u017edy ve\u013ek&yacute;m povzbuden&iacute;m. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.05pt;background:\nwhite\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \"><o:p>&nbsp;<\/o:p><\/span><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.05pt;background:\nwhite\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">Moje osobn&eacute; sk&uacute;senosti mi hovoria, \u017ee skupinky m&ocirc;\u017eu by\u0165 ve\u013ek&yacute;m pr&iacute;nosom pre ECAV, ktorej z&aacute;ujmy som pri ordin&aacute;cii s\u013euboval br&aacute;ni\u0165 a&nbsp;o&nbsp;blaho a rozkvek ktorej som s\u013euboval pracova\u0165. M&ocirc;\u017ee sa sta\u0165, \u017ee niektor&iacute; \u013eudia, \u010di cel&eacute; skupinky od&iacute;du zo zboru a&nbsp;z&nbsp;ECAV? Ur\u010dite &aacute;no. Aby som nezaost&aacute;val za predsedom VV, tie\u017e uvediem v&yacute;sledky jedn&eacute;ho prieskumu &#8211; prieskum z&nbsp;Izraela vykonan&yacute; na vzorke 12 \u010dlenov jednej skupinky dokonca ukazuje, \u017ee 8,3<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">% malo samovra<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">\u017eebn&eacute; sklony (z nich cel&yacute;ch 100<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">% samovra<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">\u017edu aj &uacute;spe&scaron;ne sp&aacute;chalo<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">), <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">8,3<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">% <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">malo sklony k&nbsp;zrade, 8,3<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">% zaprelo<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \"> Krista, vy&scaron;e 16<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">%<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \"> <\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">bolo agres&iacute;vnych a&nbsp;nev&aacute;hali by vyp&aacute;li\u0165 cel&uacute; dedinu a ke\u010f pri&scaron;iel v&aacute;\u017enej&scaron;&iacute; probl&eacute;m, tak 100<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">%<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \"> \u010dlenov skupinky pustilo do gat&iacute; a&nbsp;zdrhlo. No hlb&scaron;ia anal&yacute;za ukazuje, \u017ee napriek tomu malo zmysel venova\u0165 sa \u010dlenom skupinky a&nbsp;nevyhna\u0165 ich. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/h2>\n<h2 style=\"margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.05pt;background:\nwhite\"><span style=\"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; \">Len d&uacute;fam, \u017ee tento postoj proti &bdquo;skupink&aacute;m&ldquo; nehovor&iacute;: Mil&iacute; mlad&iacute; luter&aacute;snki priatelia, m&ocirc;\u017eete sa stret&aacute;va\u0165 a&nbsp;v&nbsp;pohode faj\u010dite, bite sa, chlascite, bezuzdne sexujte &ndash; ale hlavne, pros&iacute;me v&aacute;s, ke\u010f sa takto ako partia stretnete, v&nbsp;\u017eiadnom pr&iacute;pade sa nemodlite, ne\u010d&iacute;tajte P&iacute;smo a&nbsp;nediskutujte o&nbsp;Bohu, lebo to je podozriv&eacute;,&nbsp;neluter&aacute;nske a&nbsp;sekt&aacute;rske.<o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span lang=\"EN-US\" style=\"font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;\nmso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font:\nminor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:Helvetica;\nmso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA\">Preto som presved\u010den&yacute;, \u017ee ohov&aacute;ranie a&nbsp;agres&iacute;vny boj proti mlad&yacute;m len preto, \u017ee v&nbsp;slobodnej spolo\u010dnosti, kde je pr&aacute;vo zhroma\u017e\u010fovania &uacute;stavn&yacute;m pr&aacute;vom, sa stret&aacute;vaj&uacute; pri Bo\u017eom slove a&nbsp;modlitb&aacute;ch na skupink&aacute;ch, je proti z&aacute;ujmom cirkvi. Ak t&yacute;chto \u013eud&iacute; vy\u017eenieme z&nbsp;ECAV, tak nebude koho vychov&aacute;va\u0165 a&nbsp;vies\u0165 &bdquo;ku Kristovi a&nbsp;evanjelickej zbo\u017enosti&ldquo;. Navy&scaron;e pr&iacute;deme o&nbsp;mno\u017estvo akt&iacute;vnych pracovn&iacute;kov. A&nbsp;to v&scaron;etko pre vlastn&eacute; grobianstvo, ke\u010f sme im za ich slu\u017ebu nepo\u010fakovali, ale naopak, odmenili sme sa im d&eacute;monizovan&iacute;m, klaman&iacute;m a ohov&aacute;ran&iacute;m. Preto d&uacute;fam, \u017ee mlad&iacute; ne\u010d&iacute;taj&uacute; EPST a&nbsp;nebud&uacute; tak musie\u0165 by\u0165 zbyto\u010dne znechuten&iacute; a&nbsp;nebud&uacute; uva\u017eova\u0165 o&nbsp;odchode zo zboru a cirkvi. Lebo predpoklad&aacute;m, \u017ee ak by odi&scaron;li, na&scaron;i militanti by k&nbsp;n&aacute;m hrdo pri&scaron;li s&nbsp;ot&aacute;zkou: Vid&iacute;te, nehovorili sme v&aacute;m to?, a nemali ani to\u013eko sebareflexie, \u017eeby si priznali &ndash; konali sme proti z&aacute;ujmom ECAV a vyhnali sme ich.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;R&aacute;d by som do akademickej debaty prispel praktick&yacute;mi sk&uacute;senos\u0165ami so skupinkami. 1: V&nbsp;zbore ve\u013emi akt&iacute;vne p&ocirc;sobila ml&aacute;de\u017e. Pripravovali akcie, viedli besedku, dorast, pom&aacute;hali, kde sa dalo. A&nbsp;to aj finan\u010dne. Kto chcel, d&aacute;val desiatky a&nbsp;tak sa stalo, \u017ee mali rozpo\u010det nie o&nbsp;moc men&scaron;&iacute;, ne\u017e dan&yacute; cirkevn&yacute; zbor. Zbor, okrem viano\u010dn&yacute;ch bal&iacute;\u010dkov pre deti, neprispieval na besiedku &#8230; <a title=\"Skupinky \u2013 sk\u00fasenos\u0165\" class=\"read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/2012\/02\/06\/skupinky-skusenost\/\" aria-label=\"Pre\u010d\u00edtajte si viac o Skupinky \u2013 sk\u00fasenos\u0165\">\u010c\u00edta\u0165 viac<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":29,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,73],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4090","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-adventna-modlitba","category-ecav"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4090","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/29"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4090"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4090\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":32345,"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4090\/revisions\/32345"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4090"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4090"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.e-anjelik.sk\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4090"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}